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Jun 8th, 2012, 10:47am
 
 WON has a new piece on the Kern river in its lateat addition. Im sure the local buisnesses do well when reports like this come out, but its not like people dont know about the kern allready I guess. I wonder if they help out the shop though.
   I just thought I would let you know if you have not allready seen it.
 
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Reply #1 - Jun 8th, 2012, 10:15pm
 
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 In my opinion; the fly shop doesn't really need WON's reports, Guy Jeans is on a different level all together. His target demographic is reading fly fishing publications or first timers wanting information on how to start fly fishing. WON caters to a vast majority of readers ranging from anglers throwing rooster tails to salmon eggs and also fly's. However in Southern California fly fishing is still not all that popular and I feel still gets a bad rap from majority of bait fisherman. WON is a business trying to make money; they are not going to give fly fishing reports all that often to those that have never thrown a fly. If there reports read: "first time fly fisherman are getting limits!" Well then you would see a lot more up here.There are cuts of revenue from every direction in the fishing and outdoor industry If you break it down: Fly fishing is : 1, super expensive, 2. harder than casting and retrieving, and 3. mobility; you cant sit on rock and catch fish all day while drinking a beer. Therefor they will not run fly fishing reports to often. Simply put: there is only one fly fishing shop up here. However I can name 6 places that sell lures to catch and keep trout and coolers for anglers to throw beers in. Most anglers that really utilize WON for reports are planning on keeping fish anyways. I read WON, love Jim Matthews stuff, support the publication 100% There are always great reports and great stories and its local so its nice. As a homeowner in the town of Kernville anything that brings business up here is welcomed. The local business that gain customers is a great thing and you can certainly thank WON for a portion of that. Not to mention that I am sure the fly shop has had some margin profit increase due to WON reports and articles about the Kern river. Put the word "fishing" on a sign and people will come in. They kinda missed the first word that said: "fly" Grin
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Reply #2 - Jun 10th, 2012, 9:01pm
 

I salute you sharing your opinion with us from the prospective of being a home owner and long time supporter of WON.  In my opinion, it's a rag that caters to the catch and kill crowd.  Ranks right up there with a certain fly fishing "author" who has made a career of outing small waters in publications around the west.  Every month he's sharing the little out of the way spots with subscribers.  
 
I am a little confused as to what you were exactly writing about (Put the word "fishing" on a sign and people will come in. They kinda missed the first word that said: "fly" Grin)  
....You kinda seem to come off as being antagonistic about fly fishing in general....but then I just spent the weekend fly fishing the Kern. 
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Reply #3 - Jun 10th, 2012, 10:03pm
 
I don't support WON.... they make a living outing small creeks.
 
There are better flyfishing mags....try "Sleeping in the dirt", or a number of other online magazines that stress "the experience" over "the spot"....they almost lead you to go out and find your own holly water....plus much better photography.  
 
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Reply #4 - Jun 11th, 2012, 7:20am
 
Just another thought after reading the very brief article about fishing on Memorial Day weekend.  It was about catching a fish a cast with spinners and eggs and power bait.  Not that they didn't mention catch and releasing 30 100 fish after catching them on eggs and power bait....they did.  I'm sure it will attract those looking to fill an ice chest.  Not sure why it even deserves a mention on a fly fishing forum.
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Reply #5 - Jun 11th, 2012, 8:03am
 
Here's the way most such rags work:
 
They want the authors to submit up to a year in advance.  They also demand very detailed kiss-and-tell reports.  
 
That's because they have a whole organized campaign to solicit ads from businesses in the neighborhood of their "featured" stories.  The ad departments push like crazy for content that lets them organize the ad campaigns.
 
We have one such rag up here called Fish Alaska. While I write outdoor stuff, it's all technique and I refuse to write kiss-and-tell.  FA is after me all the time to write for them, but the discussions get heated over kiss-and-tell and I refuse to write for them.
 
Meanwhile, we have a business here in town, and starting 7 months before an article on our region is published they start sending out ad solicitations like "Our September 2012 issue features TWO articles on your town. Click the link to find special ad rates to help you take advantage of all the extra exposure and new visitors coming to visit your town. Don't miss out!" By 5 months they're virtually pleading for ads.
 
It's all about selling ads in the rags, and the more folks that read them for the "hot skinny" on where to fish, the more ads they can sell.
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Reply #6 - Jun 11th, 2012, 9:44am
 
I think the biggest impact this story in WON will bring to the Kern River is more garbage along the river!  Sad
 
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Reply #7 - Jun 11th, 2012, 10:04am
 
I think WON has impacted certain fishing areas, sure, but as a long time subscriber to WON, I find the articles and pics very interesting.  As a matter of fact, WON has printed several articles and pictures of me and my family that I have personally submitted over the years.  It's more than just about fishing.  Almost all of my daughter's (Michelle) deer and elk pictures and stories have been published as I'm proud of her hunting successes.  I still have a picture and article I cut out from the WON about 3 years ago on my fridge of Michelle holding 4 ducks she shot on a youth hunt when she was 13, holding her 12 gage over/under and framed in the pic by our two hunting dogs, Brandi and Ginger.  Maybe I am defending WON as a magazine, because it is not a fly fishing magazine, but a weekly paper for the rest of the millions of people who partake in other forms of outdoor recreation.  And if the article brought much needed business to Kernville, then even better.
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Reply #8 - Jun 11th, 2012, 7:09pm
 
I was a long time subscriber to WON, and read a nice article a dozen or so years ago about the Kern River valley.  Made me think about going.  Certainly its an advantage for the local businesses.  I gave up subscribing to WON and I can't really remember why.  I think its the internet.  I get better informatiuon updates through networks of friends and guides I have used (the best of course, being Guy) than I ever could from WON.  It has its place.  Its no longer my place.  My boy was on the cover one time when he was little with a White Wing dove.  I guess I will forever be somewhat sympathetic to them for that.
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Reply #9 - Jun 11th, 2012, 9:40pm
 
There is a guy out there named Landon Mayer who is doing his best to out every fly fishing stream in northern New Mexico and southern Colorado. He has named so many of the spots that I knew as a kid, that you had to either ride a horse or mule to, I can't count the number of vulnerable streams he has outed. He is responsible for people finding out about places that should remain anonymous. Bait dunkin fish killers read fly fishing mags! It's one thing to send a pm to a guy who has the same interests as you, but it's another to write an article and give exact instructions to wild fish for everyone to read. Just my two cents.
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Reply #10 - Jun 12th, 2012, 12:21am
 
Wildman: No disrespect meant; what I meant by fishing and missing the word fly in front of it was more along the terms of lets say the shop in Mammoth called the Trout fitter and the Trout Fly.... Same shop, however one side caters towards bait fishing and the other side is fly fishing. My point was if Guy had fly fishing on top of the sign; I think it would possibly generate more revenue for other demographics other just strictly fly fisherman. Sorry for the confusion. Not trying to be antagonistic just can not stand the holier than thou mentality of many on this board. I come here to read everybody's experiences about the Kern river. Some I agree with, some I do not.  
 
BTW: Every year the Chamber of Commerce  puts out a publication regarding the activities of the Valley. Two years ago and every year prior to that they name drop all of the high country haunts from Monanche to the beaver dams on the south fork and across to around Ponderosa. These spots are not secrets and have not been for many years.  If the small creeks being outed have a camp ground around it. Well its no secret. So I guess everybody can go hate the town of Kernville as well......... One year they even had on the cover a fly fisherman walking across Monanche meadows.
 
Like i said earlier, I still like the publication and back it and its resources. WON is a source of revenue for so many its not even funny. Plain and simple: it gets people up to the valley. More often than not I see Rafters actually damaging the watershed more than the weekend warrior bait throwers that everybody is so quick on here to point the finger at.
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Reply #11 - Jun 12th, 2012, 6:41am
 
Quote from xbill_y on Jun 12th, 2012, 6:30am:
Quote from StreamKeepersCult on Jun 12th, 2012, 12:21am:
Wildman: No disrespect meant; what I meant by fishing and missing the word fly in front of it was more along the terms of lets say the shop in Mammoth called the Trout fitter and the Trout Fly.... Same shop, however one side caters towards bait fishing and the other side is fly fishing. My point was if Guy had fly fishing on top of the sign; I think it would possibly generate more revenue for other demographics other just strictly fly fisherman. Sorry for the confusion. Not trying to be antagonistic just can not stand the holier than thou mentality of many on this board. I come here to read everybody's experiences about the Kern river. Some I agree with, some I do not.

BTW: Every year the Chamber of Commerce  puts out a publication regarding the activities of the Valley. Two years ago and every year prior to that they name drop all of the high country haunts from Monanche to the beaver dams on the south fork and across to around Ponderosa. These spots are not secrets and have not been for many years.  If the small creeks being outed have a camp ground around it. Well its no secret. So I guess everybody can go hate the town of Kernville as well......... One year they even had on the cover a fly fisherman walking across Monanche meadows.

Like i said earlier, I still like the publication and back it and its resources. WON is a source of revenue for so many its not even funny. Plain and simple: it gets people up to the valley. More often than not I see Rafters actually damaging the watershed more than the weekend warrior bait throwers that everybody is so quick on here to point the finger at.


So let me see if I understand what your saying....  in paragraph one your saying Guy should sell bait to appeal to a wider demographic?  And you don't like people on this forum?  

In paragraph two, your comparing the local kernville newsletter to WON?  And you think people hate kernville because the local newsletter talked about creeks?  

and paragraph 3 you think rafters trash the river more than the urban campers who come up with a bucket full of beer and more crap in their campsite than I have in my house?


If these are in fact what your saying, I would recommend getting evaluated and a good dose of medication should help.

 
 
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I think the rafters spend more time in a raft rafting more than littering. A big majority of them i think are on guided trips and practice the pack it in pack it out.  These are just my observations.  
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Reply #12 - Jun 12th, 2012, 7:48am
 
Not sure about anyone else, but while I was fishing the Kern this past weekend I picked up a considerable amount of trash.....all of which belonged to campers and/or fisherman at one time.  I found no wetsuits or helmets or oars.....I did find a couple of tubes that had been busted and one beachball.  I found no rafts or life vests either.  I did find a ****load of salmon egg and worm containers, a couple of reel boxes and new rod wrappings, a couple of rod holders, tons of beer and soda cans, and on three separate occasions while nymphing I was hung up on someone's broken off line.......in all three instances there was a giant red treble hook and at least two giants sinkers attached to what was most likely 15 pound test line (and a lot of it).   Heck, we even stopped on the road by the Cahmber of Commerce to fix the sign in front of it!!
 
The only definite rafting paraphernalia that I have found on the Kern in the time I have spent there is the occasional oar that has been lost.  Everytime I have found an oar, I have returned it to the rafting company that it belongs to and been offered some kind of special price for a rafting trip.  Rafters sometimes drive me insane while I am fishing......but from everything that I have seen, the rafting companies almost take as much time to be stewards of the river as much as we fly fisherman do......they just don't cover as much water  Wink
 
I have never seen or read a WON magazine......as a matter of fact I don't really read any kind of fishing magazine on a regular basis.  I do fish A LOT though, and especially the Kern.  How anyone could say that the rafters are as much of a problem for the river as the "other" kind of flisherman is beyond my understanding.....especially a K-ville homeowner.
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Reply #13 - Jun 12th, 2012, 7:55am
 
Quote from StreamKeepersCult on Jun 12th, 2012, 12:21am:
Not trying to be antagonistic just can not stand the holier than thou mentality of many on this board.

 
You know exactly what you are doing every time you post replies such as the couple you have in this thread (and others).
 
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Reply #14 - Jun 12th, 2012, 8:01am
 
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