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Apr 24th, 2012, 3:58pm
 
Hello to all! It’s great to be part of such a well organized site. I had a “Raider” sighting this past weekend on the East Walker and he suggested I look into this forum, great advice to say the least. I was camped out on a hole struggling with very selective fish that were rising and I welcomed a newcomer to give it a whirl. Initially he refused and opted to stand with me offering up flies from his box for me to tie on in my futile attempts. After only hooking into 2 and losing 1 of those I bowed my head in shame and stepped aside. What I witnessed after that was nothing short of a miracle. The “Raider” as he referred himself as, proceeded to stick and land nearly every rising fish within the hole. One fish in particular was the very fish I had lost and he graciously removed my 2-fly rig from its lip and returned them to me.  
Anyways, I posted this into the beginners forum because I have been doing this flyfishing thing for the past 10 years but I am new to California trout. That, and just like I stated above these trout make a guy like me feel like I just started yesterday. One day I’m on the water sticking fish so regularly I almost feel bad for the fish, the very next day I fish for 8 hours and not land a single fish. Trout are like women, once you think you have them figured out and everything is going great, they blind side you with a silent treatment, and you haven’t the slightest clue what you did wrong.
I’ll try to make this brief and to the point but I am not going to make any guarantees. First I’ll give a quick background and then lead up to my current situation. As stated above I have been flyfishing for the past 10-11 years. I enlisted into the Marine Corps in 2001 after 9/11 and was stationed in Washington, DC for my first 4 years of active duty. While there I took up flyfishing and learned through the school of hard knocks reading, watching videos, and countless unsuccessful trips on the water. I eventually started putting it together and was bitten hard by the flyfishing bug. I spent countless hours chasing brook trout through the Shenandoah Mountains, browns and rainbows of numerous spring creeks in the MD, PA, and WV.  Broadening my horizons I shifted to saltwater quests off the shores of Long Island, NY with a buddy of mine in search for stipers and bluefish.
Once off active duty I returned home to IL and joined the local reserve unit to keep a foot in the door, not wanting to let the Corps go completely. Flyfishing pursuits switched over to warm water species as there are no trout in IL. I began with your typical farm pond bass, bluegill, and crappie. I have since branched out into top water smallmouths, hybrid stripers, northern pike, and most recently musky. I have this flyrod “bucket list” and I try to land as many different species as I can on the fly. I though musky would be a long standing troublesome fish, but I found the right spot and can now make it a yearly quest instead of the once in a lifetime opportunity that I thought it was going to be.  
Current situation….like I said I make no promises on being short. So, here I am in Camp Pendleton, CA doing a workup getting ready to go to Afghanistan in May. Not wanting to spend all my money in the bars on the weekend I had my wife send out some of my flyfishing gear. I did a little research and found Hot Creek, Owens River, and the East Walker. Since the end of February I have traveled north every Friday night on 395 as fast as I can to get to the mountains for crisp cool air and of course the trout. Thus far I feel as though I have been relatively successful. I have caught fish on each trip but have had a couple days of sheer frustration (to be expected from CA trout from what I hear).  As successful as I have been, there has been a nagging cloud that continues to haunt me that I have ignored to this point, the “Golden Trout.” I have been so successful, and have been having such a great time catching fish on now familiar waters, I have not wanted to “waste” a precious weekend hiking blindly through the mountains in search of some remote stream that may or may not have a fish in it. I am now down to 2 more weekends before I deploy and can’t take it any longer, I have to at least try. To be this close to a fish that I may not be able to catch anytime soon, and drive by these pristine waters seems to be a waste. I have been doing a little research where to go, but it seems every time I find a spot I get word that roads may be closed this time a year. As much as I like to do my own homework and explore new areas I am crunched for time. I am sending out a request on this site for a few minimal details to point me in the direction I need to go. I don’t want a 10 digit grid of your secret fishing hole, I am just looking for a stream name, a parking area that is clear of snow, and a trailhead to begin my hike. I know this is a lot to ask, but I have run into a few roadblocks and I want to make every attempt I can.
This weekend is the opener to the trout season and many areas may be busy, but I’m not sure I can go back to the East Walker and see one of those beautiful browns on the end of a stringer. I have had so much fun catching those fish to see one destined to a frying pan would kill me. Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated and I thank you for your time. DH
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Reply #1 - Apr 24th, 2012, 5:34pm
 
ptundra, thanks for the PM. The forum will not let me reply to it until I make at least 2 posts. I will look into the area you mentioned and let you know how it is when I get back Sunday.
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Reply #2 - Apr 24th, 2012, 6:17pm
 
TroutMan,
  Welcome to the forum and THANK YOU for your service.  Cool Cool Cool I'm sorry that I can't be much help on your quest for gold, but I'm sure you will get plenty of help from forum members. As for that "Raider" guy......many of us have gotten a lesson or two from him, your in good company on that account.  Smiley Smiley Smiley You will be hard pressed to meet another who represents flyfishing as well as Mr. Raider.
 Again, welcome and keep us posted on your quest.
 
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Reply #3 - Apr 24th, 2012, 8:18pm
 
Dustin,
 
I'm Raider's fishing partner from this weekend. It was nice to meet you. I posted some pictures of our trip over in the "Other California Fly Fishing" section including telling my version of your story. Your's is much better...
 
Fishing on HC turned out great. See you next time. Stay safe.
 
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Reply #4 - Apr 24th, 2012, 8:30pm
 
You know Raider really talked a good game before I let him into my spot, then when I saw what he tied on his line I began to have second thoughts. While the fly he used is a great fly, it just didn't seem the right type, and definitely the wrong size...boy was I wrong! This guy has it together, here I am trying to do everything by the book and he comes in with some crazy off-the-wall idea and sticks em'  
I have gotten 2 PM's so far, and they are basically sending me to the same general area, I am going to listen to their advice and see how it goes this weekend. I'm in great shape and have all the necessary gear to get me in and out safely, with some well sought after success in between. It's a pleasure to serve both my country and my Corps, it was a job while on active duty, but it has become almost a hobby for me now. I was trained well and it comes easy and natural now after 11 years. The stress can be intense at times but the pride has always been greater for both myself and my family, it is what keeps us going that is for sure.
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Reply #5 - Apr 24th, 2012, 9:00pm
 
Mark,  
It was nice meeting you as well. I laughed at the muttering comment because I didn't think I made it that obvious, guess I was wrong. My frustrations must have really been on my sleeve that day. It's funny because I had been on the water since 0630 that day and really did well up to that point. I knew the spot and knew the fish would show just before dark it was just a matter of getting the right fly. I had to hit the reset button as I walked away that night because I had a very fulfilling day it just didn't end well in the fish department. I did get a chance to meet you and Raider though and I would have to say that was a true win for me. Since I have been hitting the CA streams I am a real "Chatty Cathy" while I'm on the streams. This is not normal for me, but I guess I am up there every weekend, drive in a vehicle 7hrs up and 7hrs back, eat by myself, sleep in my rental by myself, so when I see civilization I grasp it. The other reason is because everyone I meet is so outgoing and talkative. I have met some really neat people while fishing in CA. While the stream-sides can be busy at times everyone that I have met has been very personable and helpful at times. (Even if they do nudge their way into your spot and proceed to catch every single fish in the whole as you sit and "mutter") Mark, once again great meeting you and Raider, if you see him shake his hand again for me, he is a great guy to say the least.    
Side Note: I hit Hot Creek on Sunday and had a great day with the dry fly action as well. While the size is not always there they seem to be willing to take a fly on the surface a little more willing than those EW fish. Total bonus to the trip, I woke up at around 0600 in my van which was parked at the Interpretive Site and witnessed a huge meteor blasting through the daylight sky. It was followed by a huge sonic boom which I later heard on the news set off car alarms in western Nevada. Wish I could have had a camera on that.
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Reply #6 - Apr 24th, 2012, 9:36pm
 
Quests are a good but a  highly focused effort.
 
You may enjoy a different (expanded) viewpoint by checking out the CA Heritage Trout challenge on the CA Dept of Fish and Game website.  Some of those Heritage fish can be found much closer to your current home in Orange County.  It is something to consider.
 
All my best to you.  Here's hoping your luck in meeting folks like Raider continues, wherever you travel!
 
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Reply #7 - Apr 24th, 2012, 10:10pm
 
Welcome to the real RAIDER NATION!
 
This forum is full of good people, many who Raider aka Allen has blessed with his fishing wisdom and friendship.
 
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Reply #8 - Apr 25th, 2012, 3:55am
 
Trout Man 1775,
First of all GREAT handle.  For those of you who are unaware, 1775 is the birthday of the Marine Corps.  Welcome aboard Devil Dog.  Glad to have a fellow Jar Head that I can relate to on the forum. You are a lucky man to have had a chance encounter with the famous "Raider", ouch I hate even typing that name.  I'm a true blue "BRONCO" fan so Raider and I have some back and forth when we have seen eachother. He is definately a wealth of knowledge.  This forum is blessed with some great people who truely care about the environment and fly fishing.  If you have the time, we are having our 2nd annual kids academy on May 5th on the West Fork San Gabriel River.  If you would like information please go to the following link. http://westforksgrc.org/ We are always glad to have a fellow fly fisherman and Marine join us to educate our future fly fishers.  Hope to see you on the river some day.  Peace Drew
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Reply #9 - Apr 25th, 2012, 7:05am
 
Good Morning Dustin!!  It was nice to meet you on the EW this past weekend.  It was even nicer that you allowed me into your sweet little spot for the evening.  The EW is a favorite spot for me and I fish it all I can.  I definately have history with some of my closest friends on that water.  I have enjoyed many memorable and meaningful moments there, the time I got to spend there with you is among the top.  
  I live for hatches, as much as I fish every technique, hatches are what keep me awake at night.  I've come up with several flies that work, some don't, but most do.  The particular fly you mentioned is called Mercers Missing Link.  It was developed for those difficult hatches that couldn't be figured out.  Don't ever feel bad about not being able to figure out what the fishes are eating.  Sometimes you can know EXACTLY what they are on and they still won't take your most accurate representation.  That is why I always try and keep a good attractor type pattern around.    My favorite trick is to put an attractor in front and whatever I think the fish are taking behind.  In the case of tailwaters, usually, the flies are so small, you need something you can see in front of your no-see-um.
  

Mercers Missing Link
 
Since you posted on the 'Beginners  Area'  I thought I should explain what I was thinking.  The next night, I went back there and just sat and watched as the fish started rising.  There were no bugs out to speak of and there were few fish working.  As I sat there watching the fish work the top, I just couldn't figure out what was going on.  The longer I sat there brushing bugs off me and wondering  'WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON'  it hit me.  I held up my hand and looked, and saw the answer....ANTS!!!  Yep, ants!!  I'll bet that's what the fish are on.  So, I rigged up an attractor and a #20 ant behind.  This rig wasn't in the water 20 seconds when it was attacked by this bruiser
 

Nice 20" Brown
 
I caught a 17" fish a few minutes later.  We caught a few more, but the pool  just didn't light up as it did the night before.  
Anyway, I'll post a few more pictures and stories on Mark's post later.  Dustin, it was great to meet you.  Never 'hang your head'.  This is supposed to be fun, all the time!!!  Even when your pool is being 'Raiderized'!!! Wink  There is no shame involved in this sport.  Sometimes you can't figure it out, sometime you will have the answer and I will sit and watch.....and cheer you on!!!  Glad you enjoyed your 'Raider sighting'  BTW, it's not Mr.Raider or 'The Raider'.,   It's just Raider.   Unless your name is Randy.  Then I never know what I'm about be called Wink   Have a GROOVY DAY!!!!   Allen
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Reply #10 - Apr 25th, 2012, 7:33am
 
Im really enjoying reading theese posts and learning a lot to boot. Thanks guys. Mark
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Reply #11 - Apr 25th, 2012, 8:16am
 
Raider....the Force Recon of fly fishing!!  I always learn something from you, Allen.
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Reply #12 - Apr 25th, 2012, 8:23am
 
Dustin,
  Welcome to the forum and california flyfishing!  Better than central Illinois?  I'm glad you have had such a great time fishing the waters around here and the guys on this forum have top notch knowledge of flyfishing.  I'm learning alot quickly from these folks as they are a great group to learn from and share water with.  Hopefully your last couple weekends here are even better!
I sent you a PM also.  
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Reply #13 - Apr 25th, 2012, 9:59am
 
Dustin welcome to the forum!  Hopefully you are able to get as much out of it as I have.  If not, just sit and laugh!  Some of these guys are serious characters and it is a lot of fun to just sit and read what everyone says whether it is about fly fishing or not.  
 
I too have gone fishing with RAIDER.  Cheapest guide trip I have ever been on!!!
 
Good luck in your future fly fishing endeavors.  Stay safe in Afghanistan.  
 
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Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2012, 4:53pm
 
This is a prime example of how small this world really is, and just how much smaller our flyfishing world is! Just as an FYI to anyone who cares, the above poster by the handle of Olive Bugger just PM'd me. It turns out this guy is from my home town in IL and was best friends with my older brother all through high school. Off and on through time our paths have crossed while I was in DC, home, and now in CA of all places. He once smashed my jack-o-lantern on the road in front of our house when I was a little kid. (no hard feelings, honestly, I'm 35 and can hardly remember it). Crazy world we live in, I hope we can link up for a trip if our schedules allow it prior to my departure. It has been a wild and crazy few days since getting on this site with all the PM's, posts, and friendly jabs back and forth. This has truly been a distraction from my work this past week, and hey it's almost Friday. I'm ready to go! Got to tie me up some ants tonight I guess.  
Hey Raider I was trying to keep your fly selection on the down-low because I know how secretive people can be, and I didn't want to be the one with diarrhea of the mouth. If a guy shares a secret fly with me I keep tight lipped out of respect to them. If I do the research and find out what their biting on I let everyone know, its more fun when others are as successful as I am. Some like to keep it a secret and that is on them, if I figure it out I feel it's my own info to share. From what I gather here, you too have the same outlook and enjoy seeing others catch fish. I remained quiet just in case though. DH
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