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Fishing Streamers - Contradictory Advice
Nov 17th, 2011, 2:16pm
 
I am looking for additional information - something that the forum does very well to provide.  
 
In fishing streamers, one point of view is to keep the rod tip low and always pointed at your line.  The rationale seems to be that when it is time to hook that fish (trout or bass or whatever), there is no slack and a solid hookup occurs.  During the recent tournament, I was a controller on a beat next to a notable fly fisherman from Fresno and he uses this technique.  
 
The second point of view seems to reflect an approach if you are targeting larger fish, such as bass.  In this approach, the rod is still pointed to follow the line, but the rod angle is at 45 degrees (or so) from the water to allow a margin of cushion when the strike occurs.  
 
There may be something else involved, but those two general conditions come to mind.  
 
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on leaving some cushion or going for the more direct strike (or whatever, I may have missed).  
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Reply #1 - Nov 17th, 2011, 3:11pm
 
Ants, One main thing to keep in mind about fishing is there are no set rules. Over time certain techniques have become standard because they work. That doesn't mean other ways wont work or shouldn't be tried. Some techniques are better in some situations than others, so it's best to learn as many as you can. I fish streamers more than anything else and I fish them casting upstream,across stream,down stream ,on a tight line,slack line and any other way I find that will help me catch fish.Most of the time I fish them with a tight line so I can detect takes or feel the strikes(the tug is the drug).After breaking a few big fish off you learn not to strike to hard.When fishers say it broke me off what they really mean is I set the hook to hard and I broke it off.
 
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Reply #2 - Nov 19th, 2011, 10:11am
 
A few years back I watched a video on streamer fishing by Kelly Gallup @ Slide Inn.  His theory is that baitfish try to flee from predators in the path of least resistance which is downstream.    I fished the So. Fork of the Snake using his method and did very well.   You throw your fly over a current tongue and mend downstream and as the fly sinks into the seam, start twitching and striping.  Then as it swings you fish it all the way back on the side of the current you are on.   If the far side of that current happens to be up against some brush, all the better, just give a couple of twitches before you let it sink into the seam and sometimes a trout would run out from the pockets and nail the big conehead streamer.  
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Reply #3 - Nov 19th, 2011, 10:44am
 
What really determines what amount of "angle" you can get away with and still get a good set is mainly the hook size; the stiffness of the rod plays a smaller part. If you are using a size 20 Adams, a set with just the flex of the rod will work. If you are using a size 10 streamer, you might get away with a slight angle unless you have a very soft rod. If you are using a large saltwater fly, like a size 2/0 for example, you will need a straight line pull to set the hook. A sharp hook always helps, especially with large hooks. In the example of bass fishing you mentioned the rods are usually stiff and the line is high lb test so you will see that kind of set used. What matters is, you have to apply enough force to the hook point to get it to penetrate.
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Reply #4 - Nov 19th, 2011, 7:17pm
 
Quote from Swanee on Nov 19th, 2011, 10:11am:
A few years back I watched a video on streamer fishing by Kelly Gallup @ Slide Inn.  His theory is that baitfish try to flee from predators in the path of least resistance which is downstream.    I fished the So. Fork of the Snake using his method and did very well.   You throw your fly over a current tongue and mend downstream and as the fly sinks into the seam, start twitching and striping.  Then as it swings you fish it all the way back on the side of the current you are on.   If the far side of that current happens to be up against some brush, all the better, just give a couple of twitches before you let it sink into the seam and sometimes a trout would run out from the pockets and nail the big conehead streamer.
Just one more tool for the bag of tricks.
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Very good technique here. I'll add as you are fishing the streamer back on the swing I'll also "swing" the rod across in front of my body two or three times back and forth. This introduces a kind of darting movement to the streamer like a baitfish or fry would naturally make. Takes often come on these change in directions, especially with highly pressured fish.
 
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Reply #5 - Nov 19th, 2011, 7:49pm
 
I've watched Midger catch fish after fish using a small streamer (like a 12 or 14) with a small tail fly like a midge.  He cast upstream and allows the flies to go with the current and then strips back up.  He caught as many on the trailing fly as the streamer and caught them in all phases of the drift and retrieve.
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Reply #6 - Nov 20th, 2011, 8:48am
 
Ray Bergman, in his book "Trout" relates the experience of FF on the Arcularius Ranch (upper Owens) with Frank Arcularius. Frank would take the longest rod he had, tie a #4 clipped (wing) Coachman Streamer to his tippet, hang it over the bank, walk softly down river, letting the fly drift under the undercut bank. He took some VERY LARGE Trout using this method ...
 
I have used that same pattern cast upstream on the Lower "O", below 5 Bridges, and stripped quickly along the inside of bends, on a 3ft., 3x tippet, on a sink tip line, with some interesting results...
 
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Reply #7 - Nov 20th, 2011, 9:48am
 
i always point the rod directly at the Streamer as i fish it, no matter if I am swinging, dead drifting, active retrieve, etc.. You do not want to have the Tip up and a bow of slack line between the rod tip and the Water.. because when you get a strike and slip strike all you will do is Bow the rod tip down and this will cushion the strike to the point You will not drive the Hook home. "Straight Line Contact" is very important when you are fishing Streamers (be it for Trout, Bass, Stripers and certainly out in the Salt, because you are going to strike harder and stronger on a Streamer take then on Nymphs or Dry flies...
 
also never fish Streamers on tippet lighter then 6 lb. test (and that's for small ones #10 ~ #14).. the Trout won't care about the heaver line, the flies are bigger and you need to turn them over on the Cast and while You will not get Quantity, You will most certainly hook Bigger Fish that are moving a great deal faster then they would to a Nymph or Dryfly.. so the extra "security" of a heaver Tippet is very much needed...
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Reply #8 - Dec 13th, 2011, 5:17pm
 
Ditto Ryan.
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Reply #9 - Dec 18th, 2011, 9:42am
 
Streamer fishing is fun.  However, I am a sucker for comments that help me learn.  For example, this incident should allow some comments by me and from others on the forum.  
 
From the sucker’s viewpoint – OUCH!!
 
Of course, the fish was released and it promptly headed away form me.  
 

The direction of the cast was where the fish were located.  
The depth of the retrieve got down near the bottom.  
The bead head on the number four streamer dives like a bomber when the retrieve is paused.  (sorry sucker – you are probably quite aware of the fly action).
The strip set is effective.
 
Of course, in the same area the prior day, the results were a little different.  
 Fishing with streamers again without the bead head.  
 
It is not quite a two-handed fish, but the results are getting closer.  
I guess I may need to look for a larger net if I keep continuing.  I wonder where Stanberry gets his nets.  Of course, I will probable head toward the “modest” end of the rack.  
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Reply #10 - Dec 21st, 2011, 3:51pm
 
"the fastest way between two points is a straight line"  
 
So if the rod tip is pointed at the fly, it should be a straight line. This makes hook setting easier, no slack to fool with and less chance of the fish spitting the hook.
 
Now, if you have current to play with or a drifting boat, you'll have different degrees of angle making hook setting a tad more interesting. But that doesn't mean it is wrong. As in other sports, golf for instance, you need to play your drift as a ball tails off after a distance.
 
On the beach you have current that'll take fly south so you have to strip faster to keep in touch with it, stay tight.
 
No right way, no wrong way as long as you are hooking fish.
 
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